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Conversations with the Project Investigator
Thanks to Lien we learned a great deal about Tam Dao forests, butterflies and Vietnam.
The following recorded conversations are a glimpse to what we learned.
Click the titles to hear Lien speak. Summaries of his words are typed below.

TOPIC: National Parks Management
  Tam Dao National Park has about 100 people working. About 70 of those are rangers and others are managers. Scientists are very few. Science work is very important but not in Vietnam. Rangers are paid by government. The few scientists there are also get government money but rangers make much more.
TOPIC: Population needs
 

The economy is very poor. The population is growing. The local people depend on the forest. They cut to sell. Everywhere there is new construction, of houses and furniture. There is no enforcement against cutting down the forest. There is no punishment to cutting the trees so no fear of punishment.

People cut the trees by hand. They use only hand saws, taking them sometimes a few hours. They carry the wood on their shoulders, it is very heavy, maybe 60 to 80 kilograms. They will walk sometimes more than 10 kilometers – maybe 8 miles a day with large amounts on their shoulders.

TOPIC: Education and Farming
 

Sometimes the people go to the forest and catch insects – to sell. Because the people are farmers and income is very low, they are very poor, making maybe ten dollars per month. They have maybe four or five children. Many people don’t like the schools available for children so they pay for private school. Private school costs more, but is not too expensive. University is expensive.

In some rural areas people don’t have schools so must send their children away to school. Government schools do not provide boarding, so people must pay for private. But many families in rural areas do not want to send their children to school because they need them to stay home and help with the farming, even though school is required by law. In Sapa there are some very huge trees, over 100 years old. They cut them down with a chain saw.

TOPIC: Poor Condition of the Area
  In Sapa – a city in the north – the forest is in better condition. But here in Tam Dao the population increases rapidly, maybe 20 thousand a year. When the population increases they build houses and hotels. And because Tam Dao is so close to the International Airport, many international investors are interested in the area. More and more people build, which destroys the forests and the butterflies. More than 200 million (US) dollars are already invested in Tam Dao, mainly French. The French have been interested in Tam Dao for a long time. The French built more than 100 villas in the early 1900s, but they were all destroyed in 1942. Still the French come here and want to build.
TOPIC: Elevation
  Elevation of Tam Dao National Park is 1950 km. The hotel is at 950 km. The climate is milder here, because of the higher elevation.
TOPIC: Population
  There is no real population control. There is a ‘policy’ in Vietnam where the government suggests that families only have two children, but there is no regulation. Most people have many more, maybe four or five, especially in minority groups. In 1945 the population was only about 45 million (today it is 84 million). After 1975 there was a large population increase because it was after the war and people wanted to have more children. When [Lien’s] father came home from the war in 1975 he had two more children immediately.
TOPIC: Cutting the Forest
  For most of the forest that is cut down, the wood is used for construction. People help themselves to the forest, to build their own houses. In many farm areas people burn the forest in order to increase the area available for farming. Countries like Indonesia and Thailand and Laos, will cut and burn areas for farming. Sometimes the wood is cut and sold to other countries. Other countries will buy wood from Vietnam in order to make furniture.
TOPIC: No Control in the Forest
  There are many ranger stations with two to four people. It is complicated to control the people.
TOPIC: Lazy Rangers
  Plus rangers are lazy. They don’t want to tell the people not to cut the forest. It is hard to get to steep areas. It is hard to see everyone who comes to the forest.
TOPIC: Low Farming Income
  Farmers very poor. Income is very low, for one farmer maybe ten dollars, some areas only five dollars, per month. So they just have rice and vegetables for their meals. No fat or meat for their heart.
TOPIC: Hunger Struggles
  It is much better now than before. But before 1989 eveyone was hungry for food. People were under subsidized assistance (because all the rice went to Russia to pay for the war debt). People were very poor and had little education. Some people raised pigs in their apartments just to feed their family, since all crops went to Russia.
TOPIC: Things are Better Now
  Things are better now for people, even though they might only still have rice and vegetables, they have enough. They are happy. They have very simple dreams.
TOPIC: Transects - What to Expect
  Complete explanation of the roads and butterflies.
TOPIC: Finale - summary of our work
  Summary of the research data.
TOPIC: Latin Names
  Many species do not have common names so we use the Latin names.
TOPIC: Video of Vietnamese folk song
  Cay dan sinh vien (Students' Guitar) - words to Cay dan sinh vien. This is a song that students sing who must leave home to attend school. They play their guitar and recall times at home - in an effort to lessen the homesickness.
TOPIC: Video of Vietnamese folk song
  Nhac Rung (Forest Music) - words to Nhac Rung. About the sounds and language of the forest
TOPIC: Video of Vietnamese folk song
  Trong com - this is the story of of the Vietnamese cylindrical drum.
TOPIC: Video of American pop song
  Seasons in the Sun - in Vietnamese
TOPIC: Sapa Monk dances and prays
   
TOPIC: Prayer for the Dead - embedded video
 

When someone dies, his (or her) friends send gifts to the dead person, instead of flowers to the family. The family burns the gifts to 'send them' to the dead person, thereby wishing him well. This ceremony can last as long as 12 hours.

 

 

 

 

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